User talk:Lệ Xuân/Archive 4

Tax documents

Odd question, but by any chance do you know of a website that hosts tax documents of the Nguyễn Dynasty and / or French Indo-China? Preferably in Classical Chinese. -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Trung I'm sorry but I can't help you as it's not a topic that interests me. My knowledge on this topic, unfortunately, is close to zero. LX | Talk 21:30, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I don't think that anyone seems to care about this topic. 😅 --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I found this table, which I hope may be of help to you. LX | Talk 21:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, though I was looking more for taxes in the French domination period. To be fair, I think that the French completely took over the responsibility of collecting taxes, though I'm not sure and I'm mostly looking for the fact if poor peasants were able to pay in strings of cash coins as late as the 1930's and 1940's, but from the sources I've consulted all taxes were collected in French Indo-Chinese Piastres and people had to go to money changers to be able to pay taxes. Perhaps I worded my question wrongly as I am looking mostly for how revenues and salaries of the Nguyễn Dynasty under French rule were calculated, I think that they were largely paid in Piastres, but I haven't seen any Nguyễn Court documents confirming this in Classical Chinese. I find it a real shame that these things aren't easily accessible online. 😒 --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Software for editing maps

What software do you use for editing maps? Like the map of the Nguyễn Dynasty, I wanted to try to see if I could perhaps make it myself, but I have no idea what software you used to make the SVG map, from what I can tell it looks very different from Goran tek-en's maps so I assume that you use a different programme. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Trung I use Adobe Illustrator which may not be the best software out there for creating maps but still an easy-to-use one. Btw, I'm sorry for not finishing the Indochinese map you requested. I stupidly lost the original project file while cleaning up my laptop and I'm too lazy to start over again. LX | Talk 14:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Understandable, one of the reasons why I never delete anything... ever. I am looking for a free alternative for Adobe Illustrator now as the "free trial" requires my bank details, my experience with "free trials" that require bank details is that even if you cancel your trial after 5 (five) minutes it will pretend that you agreed to a whole month. But this is a good experience for me as I will be more independent in making good SVG's in the future for others, like with the seals I want to make, I have to go through great lengths to get an alternative way to make them, thankfully French seals all look largely the same (with some having the "Republique Fraçaise" below the Statue of Liberty and others don't), but Chinese seal script seals are very different. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 15:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)` Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 15:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

There is an alternative way to use Illustrator → tải lậu. I don't know how it works because I haven't used Windows for about 5 or 6 years or so, it's much easier on Mac. You may find hundreds of websites if you search "tải Illustrator CC 2020 Full" on Google. Links from tech forums like Tinh tế are probably the safest option with no risk of virus or trojan. I don't think there will be any legal consequences for doing this because honestly, nobody cares. LX | Talk 20:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I actually was searching for an illegal version, as far as I know it's not illegal to share such tips. Heck, most of the books I cite as sources I get from websites like "Downloadsachmienphi" and the like. Thank for the advice, hopefully I'll find something. I actually found a hilarious download website, that came up as my first Ecosia result, that had "Tắt Windows Defender trong quá trình cài đặt." In the installation instructions. I'm definitely not going to use their services. 🤣🤣🤣 -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Trung Haha, I used to have illegal microsoft office on my old laptop because i didn't want to spend 160 euro just to have excel, word, powerpoint and some other software i never gonna use, so I asked my brother if he could get me the softwares for free. He then downloaded the installation files from a random vietnamese forum whose name i didn't remember. The instruction actually requires you to turn off the internet connection. The most hilarious thing is that, during the installation process the laptop made some really weird noises, like peep peep peep all the time. At that time I was sure that my laptop was going to die, but guess what. Not only does it work, it works very well. I continued to use it without any problems for over a year until my laptop got a screen damage. LX | Talk 00:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

If I had my own laptop I would have run it in a virtual desktop to test it, but I'm using my wife's laptop and even though she's a computer scientist she got a virus from an illegal software download last week and I had to fix it by isolating it and then manually remove it. She seemed very distraught at the idea of having a virus ok that thing so I can't take as many risks as I'd want to, but I'll try the Tinh tế website as it looks more reliable, with many editing apps there are free alternatives, but from what I've heard Adobe and Microsoft really like suing free competitors with only mildly similar features, I think that the legal costs is the main reason why competitors don't create a free alternative. Let's be honest, most of us wouldn't be here if WikiLegal wasn't fighting most of our battles. -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 05:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Great Seal of the Tổng đốc of Hà Ninh

The Great Seal of the Tổng đốc of Hà Ninh.

I've found the above seal and I guess that it reads "Ha Nội Ninh Bình Tổng X đốc quan phòng" (河內寧平總X督關防) but I'm not sure what's supposed to be between "Tổng" and "đốc". My guess is that the character "Tổng" is just unusually elongated like the "Bình" above it. Do you think that "the middle row" simply reads "Bình Tổng" like I suspect? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Trung There are just two characters in the middle row, so 河內寧平總督關防 is correct. It's quite common for seal characters to stretch long like that. LX | Talk 00:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I added it to the request, Chinese seal script is unfortunately not a discipline that has many skilled contributors here at Wikimedia websites and even the Hanziyuan website doesn't seem to have the same fonts as Nguyễn Dynasty seals. As I'm planning on also writing a Joseon & Korean Empire seals article in the future I'm hoping that the Koreans didn't have their own font of their own as well. 😅 -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 05:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I got it installed

I'm now trying to learn to use it, one thing I noticed is that you use an odd font for Traditional Chinese characters and when I try to manually insert TraditionalN Chinese characters they appear to be a completely different font, what font did you use or did you drew them all by hand? -- Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:11, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Trung I drew most of them by hand. However, if you could find a high-quality image of the seal, you can vectorize it by using the tracing tool. It's impossible to find a matching font online. LX | Talk 12:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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Am I going crazy?

First (1st) of all, Happy King's Day and may he reign for ten thousand years. Second (2nd) of all, I know that late Nguyễn Dynasty period looks indistinguishable from the "Modern period in Vietnamese history" (August 1945-Present), but this (the photograph claimed to be from 1929) looks a bit "too modern" I think. At first I thought that it checked out as you still see Traditional Chinese characters used in a few cases and Latin script is already dominant for communicating Vietnamese words and phrases, but the clothes worn by some men makes me think that it's more likely from the 1950's, as these men are wearing "Việt Minh hats" and "Zhongshan-looking suits", though I wouldn't be surprised if that was already a part of the French-Nguyễn period.

I've read newspapers from the 1930's and these read like they could have been written in the 1945-Present period, but I suspect that this image likely is more recent than 1929. 1950's North Vietnam also seems to look like this "uncanny" transition from the Nguyễn and French periods into the Democratic Republic of Vietnam period where it could be somewhat difficult to tell which period it falls in, but I'm pretty sure that this image is from the 1950's. I just want to ask for "a second opinion" from someone I know is familiar with this era so I won't upload a potential copyright violation. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 08:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@Donald Trung Oh, I didn't know that yesterday was King's Day in the Netherlands. Well, we didn't have a Kaiser anymore, so these kind of holidays don't sound very familiar to me =)))) Anyway, the photo you found could be from the late 40's or later though, because I've seen photos of Hà Nội from 1946 and it still looked pretty much like it was during the French colonial era, street signs were still bilingual, some even trilingual, written in both Quốc Ngữ–Hán tự and French. Initially, Ho Chi Minh probably didn't try to eradicate all French influences. The transition probably only began when the war broke out. LX | Talk 14:48, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the photograph, I was researching more photographs from the 1920's and 1930's and came to the conclusion that that photograph must've been from the 1950's~1960's so it's most likely copyrighted and ineligible to be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. The reply here will be a bit lengthy so if you don't want to read all or not reply I'll understand.

Just out of curiosity I searched "Ngày mất Nước" in Ecosia to see if I could find some memorial events for it, perhaps I used the wrong term to search for it as only the most bitter descendants and survivors of the VNCH still use this term as even those that spent years in concentration camps and became refugees have softened and stopped using the term. But I just wanted to see if there were any pro-VNCH protests, like those organised by the Cộng Đồng Việt Nam Tỵ Nạn Cộng Sản Tại Hòa Lan at the The Hague embassy. However, the comments I found on several Facebook posts really made me realise how important our work here at the Wikimedia Commons and at Wikipedia is debunking myths and correctly documenting information in a neutral way. One thing that I found interesting is that both the Overseas Vietnamese and Pro-Communist Vietnamese are vehemently nationalistic, just in very different ways. For example the top comment on one post about the opening of a "Saigon Walk of Heroes" in the United States of America was of a pro-Communist stating "Dân tộc Việt Nam là một" and then went on a diatribe how all heroes in Vietnamese history were already canonised and that trying to canonise "divisive agents" will harm Vietnamese unity and that Communism was the natural progress of Vietnamese history. Meanwhile another commenter (an older gentleman) stated that the flag of South Vietnam has been the symbol of the Vietnamese nation and unity since the Thành Thái Emperor. Meanwhile the idea that "Vietnamese people are one" dates back from the French domination period and was a reference to how Vietnam had been divided into three (3) countries by the French and I found old newspaper articles by nationalists speaking in the same way, this language remained in vogue in face of both the partition of Việt-Nam and later tensions by bitter conquered South Vietnamese and Việt Công that felt betrayed by the influx of Northern administrators and cultural domination. That is to say that if you're opposed to someone saying something like "Nước Việt Nam là một, dân tộc Việt Nam là một”1" then you're against Vietnamese nationalism altogether and you become "an enemy of the concept" (in other words "an enemy of Việt-Nam"). As is common among nationalists.

What's interesting is that the narrative around the Thành Thái Emperor has changed, all contemporary accounts of him were very negative and only Monarchists were supportive of him simply out of blind loyalty, but after 1975 he started being praised by Overseas Vietnamese in a form of nationalism.

One thing that quickly gets lost in nationalist historiography is nuance, namely the nuance of motivations. Things like a "Zeitgeist", "Volksgeist", and "Kulturgeist" are said to inhabit the minds of heroes, interestingly enough Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel was an anti-nationalist himself but basically all modern Communist and Nationalist rhetoric is heavily based on concepts coined and / or popularised by him and his followers. Anyhow, it's not always easy to read someone's actual motivations from their words and or actions without broader context and nothing exists in isolation. Nothing about the independence of Tĩnh Hải Quân (靜海軍) actually reads like a nationalist struggle, but today Vietnamese nationalists see it as "the breaking of chains". This kind of reminds me of a funny anecdote from a few weeks ago.

A couple of weeks ago I was going to a Shanghainese friend who lives two streets away from me, while riding my bicycle on a bridge I saw a small plastic bottle, now these bottles have 15 Eurocent of Statiegeld (Pfand) on them, since my eldest son likes to play with coins and likes collecting coins like me, I decided to go back and take the bottle to later bring to a supermarket for some coins. Two young blonde boys aged 10~12 were watching me and suddenly started giving applause and when I looked back showed me their thumbs up. Now in their eyes they saw a random man taking rubbish from the ground to make the community cleaner, but in my eyes I did a selfish act to benefit myself. This is the difference of perspective, this is actually "the beauty of Capitalism" in its rawest. Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations and his other works actually generally tend to refer to Liberalism as the ugliest and least romantic economic system, a Mercantilist does so more the benefit of their country, later we have Socialists and Fascists who wish to redistribute the wealth of the bourgeoisie for the benefit of the working class, these are all romantic ideals but in reality the ideology that's the ugliest (Liberalism) is the ideology that produces most wealth, it's because in Liberalism everybody just acts in their own interests and they have the freedom to do so. People trying to maximise their own benefits leads to others also being benefitted in many ways, now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this is always good, Liberalism has many flaws (namely that the consumer can never be 100% informed on all decisions, the creation of cartels for maximising benefit, natural monopolies on necessary resources, among many others), but the thing is that Liberalism has made the modern world and it has made so by allowing people to act selfishly which benefited the entire global community.

My Shanghainese friend told me that when she was learning "Marxism classes" she had a very disinterested teacher, the professor actively didn't like the classes on Marxism and told her students to just watch Americans films together in class with her. I don't think that such behaviour could still exist in iPhone-centric China today, but just over a decade ago this was how at least one subversive professor at a Shanghainese university taught her Marxism classes.

Nationalism isn't necessarily something different, the rebels that fought the Chinese weren't doing so because "their nation" would benefit, they saw personal benefits from fighting them, likewise you cannot simply find the motivations of "traitors" through the nationalistic blindfold.

I think that while trying to spin different stories into a narrative above I actually made an incoherent mess... So perhaps a much more recent anecdote can tell what I'm trying to say better...

Yesterday I was at Madurodam, The Hague and in it I was witness to some interesting presentations. By the way, you visited Keukenhof literally one (1) day after I went there. Anyhow, inside of Madurodam I saw a number of presentations, Madurodam is actually an interesting theme park as it was built as a World War II monument / Holocaust monument and unlike the other World War II and (especially) Holocaust monuments which are deliberately ugly (often resembling melting people or disgusting "cube people" or something else, often explained by Art Historians as being due to "the fact that the pain felt by the survivors of the Holocaust is not something that can be described without shocking the listener") the monument built for George Maduro is surprisingly very beautiful. Though there's still an ugly statue of a melting George Maduro outside of the theme park. The park describes itself as "the most fun war monument in the world" and excluding the explanation of Georg Maduro's life in the beginning of the park almost nothing would make one think of it as a war monument. The park was built by the parents of George Maduro, a decorated Dutch soldier who was a Portuguese Jew from the Caribbean that was killed by the Germans in a concentration camp. Now what's interesting is how the nationalism is presented in a park, I would describe the park as being "Unapologetically Dutch nationalistic", or even "a monument of pure nationalism".

What's interesting about the presentation about Georg Maduro is to view how the translations worked, the spoken text was completely in Dutch and narrated the life of George Maduro moving from Curaçao to the Netherlands, fighting the Germans, being killed by the Germans, and how and why his parents dedicated to build the theme park in his memory. What's interesting is that during the war and Holocaust scenes the Dutch narrators constantly talked about "fighting the Germans", "resisting the Germans", "killed by the Germans", "the unstoppable German War Machine", and "the German occupation", while the English subtitles simple spoke about "fighting the enemies", "resisting the enemy", "killed by the enemy", "the unstoppable Nazi War Machine", and "the occupation". The English subtitles treated the Germans like Lord Voldemort and I can only speculate as to why. (To be fair the Cộng Đồng Việt Nam Tỵ Nạn Cộng Sản Tại Hòa Lan is also translated as the "Associatie Van Vietnamese Vluchtelingen in Nederland (AVVN)" in Dutch and "Vietnamese Association of Political Refugees in the Netherlands" which also seems to indicate to me that they wish to show a different message to Belgophone and Anglophone people than they do to Vietnamophone people / Việtophone people.) In general I did like the presentation despite not really agreeing with the things said, as it was made by grieving parents who lost their only boy to the Holocaust.

Inside of the park were a number of attractions showcasing a very nationalistic interpretation of history. One was about the formation of the Republic of the Seven (7) United Netherlands, another about the founding and loss of New Amsterdam, and another about the Netherlands fighting "de Waterwolf". When discussing the founding of the Netherlands the characters used terms like "Our country" and talked about it being built on "the freedom to be who you are, the freedom to believe what you want, and the freedom to express yourself as you wish" and that the Dutch Revolt was "the first (1st) revolution of its kind" and that "the Netherlands will be the first (1st) country founded on the principles of freedom". The founding of New Amsterdam also had an interesting part of how much New York is still based on the culture of the Dutch Republic and that "the character of the Netherlands persists in the United States of America" trying to claim the origins of American freedoms in the Dutch Republic. A gross historical inaccuracy is that they correctly identified the enemies as "the English" yet used the flag of the Kingdom of Great Britain several decades before it was founded. With the "Waterwolf" attraction they explained how the Haarlemmermeer (Harlem Lake) was turned from a giant lake that once threatened Amsterdam and Harlem. The attraction talked about how taming water is "the character of the Dutch spirit" not too different from how Vietnamese nationalists describe Vietnamese history as a type of "Volksgeist".

What surprised me the most of the above is how these things can happen in the Netherlands in 2022, not just because Dutch historiography has greatly changed to be neutral, but because such blatant display of nationalism is seen as "Neo-Nazi", in fact I don't think Madurodam's among the greatest ironies in the world, namely that a memorial for a Holocaust victim is perhaps the epitome of what everything modern Dutch people associate with "Neo-Nazi's". Such blatant displays of nationalism are usually shamed as people in Europe (excluding France) see any form of nationalism as "similar to Hitlerism", yet the most nationalistic place in the Netherlands is a Holocaust monument. It's something that still baffles me.

Even societies that have a hatred of nationalism and national pride like the Netherlands and avoids talking about any form of nationalism like the Netherlands have a strong nationalistic historiography that persists. For this I don't think that we can truly extinguish the nationalist historical content, only bring them in the wider context of history and point out their flaws. Some kid who got interested in history because of Madurodam may later grow up to read articles on history at Wikipedia's, it's for people like them that I like to write, it's for people like them that I would like to debunk myths. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I found another one

This article claims that this image is "Mít tinh tổng khởi nghĩa ở quảng trường Nhà hát Lớn Hà Nội ngày 19/8/1945. Ảnh: Tư liệu", but in another article I found this image at the same building. I don't see a Vietcong flag there, why would there be a Vietcong flag in 1945? I wonder how many copyright violations are at the Wikimedia Commons simply because the source lists the depicted file with incorrect information. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 16:35, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Recuva

There is this undeletion programme called Recuva, I have no idea why I didn't mention this to you before as I just thought of it while I was thinking about Nguyễn Dynasty maps under the shower. But I used this programme after I had bought my first (1st) laptop sometime around 2012 (it was among the first ones with Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system) and I had (accidentally) deleted quite a lot of stuff that I didn't want to delete, several weeks later I managed to find Piriform's Recuva software and Undeleted everything. Since then I haven't deleted anything from my old laptop again (except from a couple of viruses) and obsessively backed up everything to various cloud platforms like Microsoft SkyDrive, Dropbox, Google Drive, MEGA Privacy, Etc. The way computers overwrite over deleted files is usually by overwriting on the oldest deleted files first so it's possible that the map that you accidentally deleted can be recovered using Recuva.

Note that I Undeleted files that were deleted over a month before I found out about Recuva.

The main reason why I'm writing this here is because the map-making learning curve for Adobe Illustrator, specifically for the Nguyễn Dynasty map you made, is a lot steeper than I anticipated. I don't really want to bother you with a lot of questions and learning how to use Adobe Illustrator on YouTube hasn't really helped me with map making. So perhaps the easiest way might be to recover the deleted files if you still have that laptop. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

"Due to Li-Lao culture's massive dominantly influences, instead of becoming more assimilated into China, the Red River Delta from 200 to 750 AD experienced a reverse effect on sinicization or "de-Sinifying effect", therefore the history of sinicization of the region should be reconsidered."

From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1067736786...1089254329

I think that it's great that there are people that want to massively add to Wikipedia and expand a lot of content and write new articles... But this POV-pushing will be read by people, likely for decades. I don't see this Sinophobic trend in Vietnamese historiography change anytime soon. If you want to have an even louder laugh, or sadder sigh...

"Chị cho biết êkíp đã tìm hiểu kỹ về lịch sử ra đời của chữ Quốc ngữ trước khi quay phim. Mai Thu Huyền lý giải: "Chữ Quốc ngữ xuất hiện từ 400 năm trước, còn cụ Nguyễn Du chỉ sống cách chúng ta 200 năm. Chúng tôi không muốn dùng chữ Nôm vì chữ Nôm khá giống chữ Hán, không phải ai cũng phân biệt được. Hơn nữa, chúng tôi muốn làm một bộ phim thuần Việt"." - Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20220522193155/https://ngoisao.vnexpress.net/mai-thu-huyen-phan-hoi-tranh-cai-ve-phim-kieu-4167484.html

Yes, "research". This POV-pushing will likely affect people in ways we don't see directly but will have wider effects on how Vietnamese history is perceived. Remember that "doing research" often just means reading the Wikipedia page and not even checking the validity of the sources, I find it interesting that outdated academic sources hold just as much weight as more up to date ones. Wikimedia websites have major effects outside of them. It may be funny at first... But giggles turn into tears the moment you realise that that director probably didn't "research" anything beyond Sinophobic rhetoric and then decided to make a film that is "pure Vietnamese" by actively erasing Vietnamese history and Vietnamese culture. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

The Nguyễn Dynasty still had a Ministry of War in 1921

I have read a lot of secondary accounts on the abolition of the Nguyễn Dynasty military, some claimed that it happened immediately in 1883 with the Harmand Treaty, others claimed that the Cần Vương movement's defeat in 1885 forced its abolition. The primary sources I've consulted claimed that in 1885 they only abolished their centralised command for Trung Kỳ.

This is another reason why I like finding primary sources:

• https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kh%E1%BA%A3i_%C4%90%E1%BB%8Bnh_6_(1921)_-_Brevet_attribuant_le_grade_%E5%93%81_7-2_%E4%B8%83_%E5%BE%9E_Do%C3%AF_Truong_%E9%9A%8A_%E9%95%B7_%C3%A0_T%C3%B4ng_Cuong_%E5%AE%8B_%E5%BC%B7.png

Yes, this was in service of the French military, but it proves that the Nguyễn Dynasty still had a Ministry of War during the Khải Định period.

So I was right that Laska666' Wikipedia article was wrong when he claimed that the French completely abolished it in 1885. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Cố lên. Không bị làm sao là được rồi. Rắc rối gì rồi cũng qua thôi. Tin là mọi chuyện khó khăn cũng qua thôi. Không bị sao là tốt quá rồi. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJwDvAUxhmk Thế này cũng được (talk) 06:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Mày có phải con cẩu Gia Kỳ không? Thế này cũng được (talk) 07:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Kinh chauvinism Vs. Multiethnic historiography

I came across these edits and found them quite funny, a removal of information without justification followed by a mass-deletion that points to the Chinese origins of Kinh culture simply by calling it "irrelevant". Then they added this which did have a good explanation, namely "In Vietnamese Marxist and nationalist historiography, the Nguyen dynasty is a modern ethnocentric reconstruction. There was none polity called Nguyen dynasty had ever existed in the timeline or contemporary documents neither maps. After the Second World War as Vietnam gained independence, Vietnamese Marxists and nationalists had tried forging the notion of a single homogenous 'Vietnamese nation' by denying and downplaying the existence and significant of non-Kinh and indigenous history in the history of Vietnam, thus all pieces of Kinh history are attached to 'Vietnamese history' which is by all means, a lineage of successive Vietnamese dynasties' rather than factual polities." this is entirely true, but such criticism is the same as saying "There never existed a Byzantine Empire, later historians constructed a Byzantine Empire to describe the rump state of the Roman Empire after the fall of the Western Roman Empire", this would be an entirely accurate statement but as long as the common academic name remains "Byzantine Empire" then it will be the name Wikipedia uses.

This is also why he created the term "Kingdom of Vietnam", my largest issue with this is that it's entirely unsourced, where earlier he had mis-used a lot of sources to cherry pick information he wants on Wikipedia to fight Kinh chauvinism (which is a real problem). For sometime he actually did this by creating a large number of articles about Champa and writing about other ethnic minorities. I don't see how adding information about non-Kinh peoples should go hand-in-hand with censoring Kinh history.

This is why people should always be on watch on how articles change. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments by user "June, Rain and Tears"

Một kẻ dối trá không áy náy. Không hơn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by June, Rain and Tears (talk • contribs) 16:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Tao đã không chút chần chừ chia sẻ với mày, mày cũng thế nhưng là với bọn kia. June, Rain and Tears (talk) 16:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Adobe Illustrator and seals

Not sure if you'll see this, but I don't want to waste people's time at the Graphic Lab, but is Adobe Illustrator good for extracting existing seals? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 19:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I just don't get it

• https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=1106240073

See the section "Betabum", Musée Annam wrote "This user intentionally attacked me via Facebook and Wikipedia. I can't contribute anything because I'm constantly harassed. He said I was low class and uneducated. - I tried to make peace in Vietnamese, but he continued to mock my family.", To which the accused responded with that he doesn't even have a Facebook account.

After over a decade of contributing to Wikimedia websites he still doesn't know how to sign posts, he still doesn't seem to know to to properly source anything, and he still seems completely incapable of communicating with other users without immediately jumping to insults.

At this point I don't know if Musée Annam is a comedy or a tragedy, I'd be lying if I'd say that I didn't laugh through this entire ANI thread (though I find the outcome of his articles being deleted quite unfortunate), but what I don't understand is how can someone still make these same mistakes over a decade into editing? I just don't get it.

What's also interesting is just how common it is for his socks to get indefinitely banned without people even finding out that he's socking, so his toxic behaviour still doesn't change.

The tragedy is that Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Commons is clearly something important to him, he spends so much time of his life here, yet he never bothers to read a single policy, he never bothers to even try to conduct himself normally. In a way it's kind of sad just how broken an individual could be in such a way... --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:06, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

•  Note, I included that quote by Musée Annam because it is exactly how he conducts himself around others, he is deliberately trying to get others to be shocked over his own behaviour and fails utterly. The irony is that he has actually contributed quite a lot of valuable content to Wikimedia websites, but that the tragedy (or comedy, depending on your perspective) behind the figure is just too strong. He continuously keeps getting blocked for insults and incompetence without people knowing he's a sock and he always tries to make enemies whenever he interacts with people, especially good faith people that try to help him. It's kind of like with user "Laska666", but the latter is actually intelligent and learns from his mistakes. I actually like seeing him write articles on Champa, sure he has a strong pro-Champa bias in his writing, but at least he tries to expand the encyclopedia. Musée Annam is just a ball of obstinate arrogance that only expresses itself in insults. Which is a shame because he actually does a lot of the uploading "footwork" here at the Wikimedia Commons for obscure Vietnamese things that others don't do. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Your map is wrong

Your map over at "File:Nguyen Dynasty, administrative divisions map (1838).svg" is supposed to be from 1838, but the country wasn't called "Đại Nam" in 1838, it was called "Việt Nam" back then, it wasn't renamed to "Đại Nam" until 1839. Not sure if you'll read this, I'm just stating this here for the public record. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 22:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Vietnamese history

		Vietnamese History Barnstar
		Thank you for all your uploads in this field, I recently made this barnstar to award another user, but I couldn't think of someone more deserving. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 17:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

It still baffles me.

I am still baffled with how stubbornly "Musée Annam" keeps doing the exact same things here at the Wikimedia Commons without ever changing just a little. You would think that he would learn at least something to be able to prevent the actual public domain files he upload to not get deleted, or to not randomly overwrite files. Also, his categorisation scheme makes no sense, if a province only existed in a certain year range he just dumps any images even remotely related into it. I don't even think that there is some external logic to his categorisation schemes, he just does whatever he feels is right. I know that you'll probably not read this, but as you were one of the few people that had to deal with him this much I just wanted to express how baffled I am at his levels of incompetence, I mean this level of incompetence should be absolutely impossible. -- — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Mình nghĩ kẻ xua đuổi bạn khỏi Wiki không hẳn là C hết đâu, mà còn 1 kẻ khác nữa Khả Vân Đại Hãn (talk) 10:12, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

"File:Nguyen Dynasty, administrative divisions map (1838).svg"

I'm not sure how active you still are and if you still check (or even receive) e-mail notifications, but someone tagged your map "File:Nguyen Dynasty, administrative divisions map (1838).svg" with missing a source. Kindly provide sources for that work, it is a very valuable image and it would be a shame to see someone later systematically remove it from various Wikipedia's, or worse, have it be deleted over this lack of information (as that is increasingly becoming a trend 📈). Yours faithfully, --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 18:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)